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T O P I C R E V I E WSolar_Leo_QueenIs the Pullen chart really that accurate? Because I'm not sure it is.Some of it, I can relate to--like me being air dominant, but with my dominant sign, not so much. According to my Pullen chart, I am a Virgo dominant, but somehow I act more like Aquarius than I act like Virgo. I don't generally really relate with the traits associated with Virgo like being down-to-earth, perfectionist, and shy. I seem to see myself exhibiting those only in my love life. In general, I don't. I feel like I act more Aquarius because I like everybody to be treated equally, I'm humanitarian, I'm weird, and I'm just plain unpredictable. It surprises me that Aqua only falls as my second dominant sign because I really identify with the Uranian energy. Anyone else feel the same about their Pullen chart?------------------Gemini RisingSun in Leo (2nd house) Moon in Cancer (1st house) Mercury in Virgo (3rd house conj.)Venus in Virgo (3rd house)Mars in Libra (5th house)"You were born a lion. Don't die a sheep." ~ Leos ♌️Aries23DegreesYou have Moon in the 1st house? My sister has that too.I think Moon in 1st is unpredictable and erratic too.How far is your Moon from your 1st house cusp?Solar_Leo_Queen quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:You have Moon in the 1st house? My sister has that too.I think Moon in 1st is unpredictable and erratic too.How far is your Moon from your 1st house cusp?Oh I never thought that having moon in the 1st can make a person unpredictable. My moon is closer to my 2nd house, though.Aries23DegreesWell, if its closer to the 2nd house, it is likely to put the up/down motion on your finances.Cancer Moon is extremely reflective, but also initiating.I am surprised that people don't see Cancer energy(lunar) as being erratic?Our emotions fluctuate and change; we get moody,brood,get happy,decide to do one thing and then at the last minute, a "feeling" tugs at us that something is "off" and we should do something else.That is being erratic to me. Is it not?I think that Pullen thought you are "Virgo" dominant is because that energy rules your Asc sign and is in its own planet(Mercury).I wonder if you attract really young people? Because with all that Gemini/3rd house action,it wouldn't surprise me if you did.Leo-Cancer98 quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:Is the Pullen chart really that accurate? Because I'm not sure it is.Some of it, I can relate to--like me being air dominant, but with my dominant sign, not so much. According to my Pullen chart, I am a Virgo dominant, but somehow I act more like Aquarius than I act like Virgo. I don't generally really relate with the traits associated with Virgo like being down-to-earth, perfectionist, and shy. I seem to see myself exhibiting those only in my love life. In general, I don't. I feel like I act more Aquarius because I like everybody to be treated equally, I'm humanitarian, I'm weird, and I'm just plain unpredictable. It surprises me that Aqua only falls as my second dominant sign because I really identify with the Uranian energy. Anyone else feel the same about their Pullen chart?Yeah, I don't get it either. My Leo Sun is in the 2nd house and I have 2 Aquarius planets (Neptune & Uranus) in the 8th & 9th house. Apparently, Aquarius is my 1st dominant, next to Cancer and Leo .. It makes no senseSolar_Leo_Queen quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Well, if its closer to the 2nd house, it is likely to put the up/down motion on your finances.Cancer Moon is extremely reflective, but also initiating.I am surprised that people don't see Cancer energy(lunar) as being erratic?Our emotions fluctuate and change; we get moody,brood,get happy,decide to do one thing and then at the last minute, a "feeling" tugs at us that something is "off" and we should do something else.That is being erratic to me. Is it not?I think that Pullen thought you are "Virgo" dominant is because that energy rules your Asc sign and is in its own planet(Mercury).I wonder if you attract really young people? Because with all that Gemini/3rd house action,it wouldn't surprise me if you did.Now that you put it that way, I see how Cancer can be erratic. I think people don't usually associate action and unpredictability with Cancer because it's a sign that craves a lot of stability and has a strong connection to the past. This associates the sign with the stereotype of not wanting to do new things because it might not feel secure doing so.As for attracting younger people, yes I do attract a lot of them--both friends and lovers. Sometimes, it feels weird because I'm not always hanging out with people my age or older than me. If I do, they have youthful energy in some way.Solar_Leo_Queen quote:Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98: Yeah, I don't get it either. My Leo Sun is in the 2nd house and I have 2 Aquarius planets (Neptune & Uranus) in the 8th & 9th house. Apparently, Aquarius is my 1st dominant, next to Cancer and Leo .. It makes no senseIs your Neptune and Uranus highly aspected, though? ReadingTheStars95Well.. I can kind of see how Virgo may hold a certain significance.. You have mercury in both its ruling house and sign, conjunct Venus.. Venus and Mercury both being relatively quick moving.. Also, your "Chart Ruler" is Mercury..But.. As far as I am concerned, you can get as technical as you want looking at a person's chart.. "Well this and that HAS to mean this" but the thing is, that doesn't always truly 100% take in account the individual themselves.. Of course, certain aspects are seen to mean certain things, and that has significance.. But, certain techniques don't take into consideration everything there is to take into consideration.. Have you looked at your other charts? (Helio.. Draconic.. Sidereal..) the declinations? Midpoints? There is a lot more to look at than what just one program tells you. Solar_Leo_Queen quote:Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:Well.. I can kind of see how Virgo may hold a certain significance.. You have mercury in both its ruling house and sign, conjunct Venus.. Venus and Mercury both being relatively quick moving.. Also, your "Chart Ruler" is Mercury..But.. As far as I am concerned, you can get as technical as you want looking at a person's chart.. "Well this and that HAS to mean this" but the thing is, that doesn't always truly 100% take in account the individual themselves.. Of course, certain aspects are seen to mean certain things, and that has significance.. But, certain techniques don't take into consideration everything there is to take into consideration.. Have you looked at your other charts? (Helio.. Draconic.. Sidereal..) the declinations? Midpoints? There is a lot more to look at than what just one program tells you. Well I looked at my draconic chart and I have aqua sun, cappy moon, pisces merc and venus, and taurus mars.For my helio chart, I have aqua earth & moon, aries merc, libra venus, amd scorpio mars. This chart is actually interesting. I'm gonna go study it Even in my other charts, Aquarius is still more prominent. I only see Virgo in my sidereal chart as my mars sign..Eirlys quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:Is the Pullen chart really that accurate? Because I'm not sure it is.Some of it, I can relate to--like me being air dominant, but with my dominant sign, not so much. According to my Pullen chart, I am a Virgo dominant, but somehow I act more like Aquarius than I act like Virgo. I don't generally really relate with the traits associated with Virgo like being down-to-earth, perfectionist, and shy. I seem to see myself exhibiting those only in my love life. In general, I don't. I feel like I act more Aquarius because I like everybody to be treated equally, I'm humanitarian, I'm weird, and I'm just plain unpredictable. It surprises me that Aqua only falls as my second dominant sign because I really identify with the Uranian energy. Anyone else feel the same about their Pullen chart?Do you run the Pullen with asteroids included?------------------Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles. -C ChaplinReadingTheStars95 quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: Well I looked at my draconic chart and I have aqua sun, cappy moon, pisces merc and venus, and taurus mars.For my helio chart, I have aqua earth & mars, aries merc, libra venus, amd scorpio mars. This chart is actually interesting. I'm gonna go study it Even in my other charts, Aquarius is still more prominent. I only see Virgo in my sidereal chart as my mars sign..Exactly! And that is the exact point I was trying to make. You felt that stronger resonance with Aquarius for a reason.. It's just that the pullen wasn't able to take all those reasons into account.. However, you can.I've realized with astrology.. Rather than just going with what a program tells you.. if you feel something different, look into it, because there is a chance that you are feeling that way for a reason.. I think in your case, your Draconic Sun(among a few other things) proves this quite simply.erickafThis may not be the answer you are looking for the Virgos in my life always have felt they don't *feel* Virgo, and I wonder if this itself a Virgo trait...to analyse, question, rationalize everything???Anyway, Libra is my dominant sign and I don't feel Libra, in fact I am very decisive, cut to the chase type of person but I wonder if perhaps having a dominant planet doesn't necessarily mean you feel it but perhaps an expression or a theme? So for me relationships are huge to me, career and that sort of thing is always second. For example my best friend is Scorpio dominant but she claims she doesn't feel Scorpionic but she does express in a very Scorpio way, she is paranoid type, obsessive and suspicious...just a thought...I may be off LOL.ReadingTheStars95 quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Well, if its closer to the 2nd house, it is likely to put the up/down motion on your finances.Cancer Moon is extremely reflective, but also initiating.I am surprised that people don't see Cancer energy(lunar) as being erratic?Our emotions fluctuate and change; we get moody,brood,get happy,decide to do one thing and then at the last minute, a "feeling" tugs at us that something is "off" and we should do something else.That is being erratic to me. Is it not?I think that Pullen thought you are "Virgo" dominant is because that energy rules your Asc sign and is in its own planet(Mercury).I wonder if you attract really young people? Because with all that Gemini/3rd house action,it wouldn't surprise me if you did.Erratic? Of course. How do you think the word LUNAtic came to be? Hehe.. Of course, not saying any of this in a negative way.. But, I think that word says a bit, in regards to that theory.Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by erickaf:This may not be the answer you are looking for the Virgos in my life always have felt they don't *feel* Virgo, and I wonder if this itself a Virgo trait...to analyse, question, rationalize everything???Anyway, Libra is my dominant sign and I don't feel Libra, in fact I am very decisive, cut to the chase type of person but I wonder if perhaps having a dominant planet doesn't necessarily mean you feel it but perhaps an expression or a theme? So for me relationships are huge to me, career and that sort of thing is always second. For example my best friend is Scorpio dominant but she claims she doesn't feel Scorpionic but she does express in a very Scorpio way, she is paranoid type, obsessive and suspicious...just a thought...I may be off LOL.Right on target. I also think its the overall themes.I am NOT a "relationships" person. I seek out solitude a lot. And my career is my number 1 priority.Aries23Degrees quote:Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95: Erratic? Of course. How do you think the word LUNAtic came to be? Hehe.. Of course, not saying any of this in a negative way.. But, I think that word says a bit, in regards to that theory.It should be so obvious right? Doux Rêve quote:Originally posted by erickaf:This may not be the answer you are looking for the Virgos in my life always have felt they don't *feel* Virgo, and I wonder if this itself a Virgo trait...to analyse, question, rationalize everything??? I've noticed this as well. quote:For example my best friend is Scorpio dominant but she claims she doesn't feel Scorpionic but she does express in a very Scorpio way, she is paranoid type, obsessive and suspicious...just a thought...Rings a bell.I think that's because few people actually truly feel like their Sun sign (especially those who are into astrology and know there's more to it than Sun signs). The Sun in itself is a very difficult energy to understand, we don't fully "get" it - what it's all about, how it impacts us exactly, etc.That's because the Sun is our core energy, the giver of life, the one element that gives power to all other elements in the chart. It's like the engine, but the "machine" itself is composed of all the other elements (the other planets in the chart). So it's a complex concept and often eludes us._____On topic:If you don't "feel" like your dominant sign, I'd say it's because you don't have a dominant sign - you are a mix of energies, so you can't "feel" like a certain sign (especially at all times), that's simply not possible. I personally dislike the whole idea of dominant sign/signs because we all have so many different energies in our charts/ourselves that it just seems to have little significance. Another thing to remember is that people in general have a hard time seeing themselves objectively - so while you may not feel Virgo-like or even think of yourself as such, others may get a distinct Virgoan vibe from you/your behavior.
Some of it, I can relate to--like me being air dominant, but with my dominant sign, not so much.
According to my Pullen chart, I am a Virgo dominant, but somehow I act more like Aquarius than I act like Virgo. I don't generally really relate with the traits associated with Virgo like being down-to-earth, perfectionist, and shy. I seem to see myself exhibiting those only in my love life. In general, I don't. I feel like I act more Aquarius because I like everybody to be treated equally, I'm humanitarian, I'm weird, and I'm just plain unpredictable. It surprises me that Aqua only falls as my second dominant sign because I really identify with the Uranian energy.
Anyone else feel the same about their Pullen chart?
------------------Gemini RisingSun in Leo (2nd house) Moon in Cancer (1st house) Mercury in Virgo (3rd house conj.)Venus in Virgo (3rd house)Mars in Libra (5th house)
"You were born a lion. Don't die a sheep." ~ Leos ♌️
I think Moon in 1st is unpredictable and erratic too.
How far is your Moon from your 1st house cusp?
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:You have Moon in the 1st house? My sister has that too.I think Moon in 1st is unpredictable and erratic too.How far is your Moon from your 1st house cusp?
Oh I never thought that having moon in the 1st can make a person unpredictable. My moon is closer to my 2nd house, though.
Cancer Moon is extremely reflective, but also initiating.
I am surprised that people don't see Cancer energy(lunar) as being erratic?
Our emotions fluctuate and change; we get moody,brood,get happy,decide to do one thing and then at the last minute, a "feeling" tugs at us that something is "off" and we should do something else.
That is being erratic to me. Is it not?
I think that Pullen thought you are "Virgo" dominant is because that energy rules your Asc sign and is in its own planet(Mercury).
I wonder if you attract really young people? Because with all that Gemini/3rd house action,it wouldn't surprise me if you did.
quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:Is the Pullen chart really that accurate? Because I'm not sure it is.Some of it, I can relate to--like me being air dominant, but with my dominant sign, not so much. According to my Pullen chart, I am a Virgo dominant, but somehow I act more like Aquarius than I act like Virgo. I don't generally really relate with the traits associated with Virgo like being down-to-earth, perfectionist, and shy. I seem to see myself exhibiting those only in my love life. In general, I don't. I feel like I act more Aquarius because I like everybody to be treated equally, I'm humanitarian, I'm weird, and I'm just plain unpredictable. It surprises me that Aqua only falls as my second dominant sign because I really identify with the Uranian energy. Anyone else feel the same about their Pullen chart?
Yeah, I don't get it either. My Leo Sun is in the 2nd house and I have 2 Aquarius planets (Neptune & Uranus) in the 8th & 9th house. Apparently, Aquarius is my 1st dominant, next to Cancer and Leo .. It makes no sense
quote:Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:Well, if its closer to the 2nd house, it is likely to put the up/down motion on your finances.Cancer Moon is extremely reflective, but also initiating.I am surprised that people don't see Cancer energy(lunar) as being erratic?Our emotions fluctuate and change; we get moody,brood,get happy,decide to do one thing and then at the last minute, a "feeling" tugs at us that something is "off" and we should do something else.That is being erratic to me. Is it not?I think that Pullen thought you are "Virgo" dominant is because that energy rules your Asc sign and is in its own planet(Mercury).I wonder if you attract really young people? Because with all that Gemini/3rd house action,it wouldn't surprise me if you did.
Now that you put it that way, I see how Cancer can be erratic. I think people don't usually associate action and unpredictability with Cancer because it's a sign that craves a lot of stability and has a strong connection to the past. This associates the sign with the stereotype of not wanting to do new things because it might not feel secure doing so.
As for attracting younger people, yes I do attract a lot of them--both friends and lovers. Sometimes, it feels weird because I'm not always hanging out with people my age or older than me. If I do, they have youthful energy in some way.
quote:Originally posted by Leo-Cancer98: Yeah, I don't get it either. My Leo Sun is in the 2nd house and I have 2 Aquarius planets (Neptune & Uranus) in the 8th & 9th house. Apparently, Aquarius is my 1st dominant, next to Cancer and Leo .. It makes no sense
Is your Neptune and Uranus highly aspected, though?
But.. As far as I am concerned, you can get as technical as you want looking at a person's chart.. "Well this and that HAS to mean this" but the thing is, that doesn't always truly 100% take in account the individual themselves..
Of course, certain aspects are seen to mean certain things, and that has significance.. But, certain techniques don't take into consideration everything there is to take into consideration..
Have you looked at your other charts? (Helio.. Draconic.. Sidereal..) the declinations? Midpoints? There is a lot more to look at than what just one program tells you.
quote:Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95:Well.. I can kind of see how Virgo may hold a certain significance.. You have mercury in both its ruling house and sign, conjunct Venus.. Venus and Mercury both being relatively quick moving.. Also, your "Chart Ruler" is Mercury..But.. As far as I am concerned, you can get as technical as you want looking at a person's chart.. "Well this and that HAS to mean this" but the thing is, that doesn't always truly 100% take in account the individual themselves.. Of course, certain aspects are seen to mean certain things, and that has significance.. But, certain techniques don't take into consideration everything there is to take into consideration.. Have you looked at your other charts? (Helio.. Draconic.. Sidereal..) the declinations? Midpoints? There is a lot more to look at than what just one program tells you.
Well I looked at my draconic chart and I have aqua sun, cappy moon, pisces merc and venus, and taurus mars.
For my helio chart, I have aqua earth & moon, aries merc, libra venus, amd scorpio mars. This chart is actually interesting. I'm gonna go study it
Even in my other charts, Aquarius is still more prominent. I only see Virgo in my sidereal chart as my mars sign..
Do you run the Pullen with asteroids included?
------------------Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.
-C Chaplin
quote:Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen: Well I looked at my draconic chart and I have aqua sun, cappy moon, pisces merc and venus, and taurus mars.For my helio chart, I have aqua earth & mars, aries merc, libra venus, amd scorpio mars. This chart is actually interesting. I'm gonna go study it Even in my other charts, Aquarius is still more prominent. I only see Virgo in my sidereal chart as my mars sign..
For my helio chart, I have aqua earth & mars, aries merc, libra venus, amd scorpio mars. This chart is actually interesting. I'm gonna go study it
Exactly! And that is the exact point I was trying to make.
You felt that stronger resonance with Aquarius for a reason.. It's just that the pullen wasn't able to take all those reasons into account.. However, you can.
I've realized with astrology.. Rather than just going with what a program tells you.. if you feel something different, look into it, because there is a chance that you are feeling that way for a reason.. I think in your case, your Draconic Sun(among a few other things) proves this quite simply.
Anyway, Libra is my dominant sign and I don't feel Libra, in fact I am very decisive, cut to the chase type of person but I wonder if perhaps having a dominant planet doesn't necessarily mean you feel it but perhaps an expression or a theme? So for me relationships are huge to me, career and that sort of thing is always second. For example my best friend is Scorpio dominant but she claims she doesn't feel Scorpionic but she does express in a very Scorpio way, she is paranoid type, obsessive and suspicious...just a thought...I may be off LOL.
Erratic? Of course. How do you think the word LUNAtic came to be? Hehe.. Of course, not saying any of this in a negative way.. But, I think that word says a bit, in regards to that theory.
quote:Originally posted by erickaf:This may not be the answer you are looking for the Virgos in my life always have felt they don't *feel* Virgo, and I wonder if this itself a Virgo trait...to analyse, question, rationalize everything???Anyway, Libra is my dominant sign and I don't feel Libra, in fact I am very decisive, cut to the chase type of person but I wonder if perhaps having a dominant planet doesn't necessarily mean you feel it but perhaps an expression or a theme? So for me relationships are huge to me, career and that sort of thing is always second. For example my best friend is Scorpio dominant but she claims she doesn't feel Scorpionic but she does express in a very Scorpio way, she is paranoid type, obsessive and suspicious...just a thought...I may be off LOL.
Right on target. I also think its the overall themes.
I am NOT a "relationships" person. I seek out solitude a lot. And my career is my number 1 priority.
quote:Originally posted by ReadingTheStars95: Erratic? Of course. How do you think the word LUNAtic came to be? Hehe.. Of course, not saying any of this in a negative way.. But, I think that word says a bit, in regards to that theory.
It should be so obvious right?
quote:Originally posted by erickaf:This may not be the answer you are looking for the Virgos in my life always have felt they don't *feel* Virgo, and I wonder if this itself a Virgo trait...to analyse, question, rationalize everything???
I've noticed this as well.
quote:For example my best friend is Scorpio dominant but she claims she doesn't feel Scorpionic but she does express in a very Scorpio way, she is paranoid type, obsessive and suspicious...just a thought...
Rings a bell.
I think that's because few people actually truly feel like their Sun sign (especially those who are into astrology and know there's more to it than Sun signs). The Sun in itself is a very difficult energy to understand, we don't fully "get" it - what it's all about, how it impacts us exactly, etc.That's because the Sun is our core energy, the giver of life, the one element that gives power to all other elements in the chart. It's like the engine, but the "machine" itself is composed of all the other elements (the other planets in the chart). So it's a complex concept and often eludes us.
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On topic:
If you don't "feel" like your dominant sign, I'd say it's because you don't have a dominant sign - you are a mix of energies, so you can't "feel" like a certain sign (especially at all times), that's simply not possible.
I personally dislike the whole idea of dominant sign/signs because we all have so many different energies in our charts/ourselves that it just seems to have little significance.
Another thing to remember is that people in general have a hard time seeing themselves objectively - so while you may not feel Virgo-like or even think of yourself as such, others may get a distinct Virgoan vibe from you/your behavior.
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